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Question to ask a question is what will you veto, and to put it in a yes or know form like that reporter wisely did. that is the only reason the legislators listen to the president. he says if you do that i'll veto it. >> that is the balance of power. that is the thing that balances power with the legislature. it seems like a small thing, but it's a huge hammer. and i was thinking this is a case of like you know what you said you're going to do this, we're all going to do this. what patty murray and the president are asking, all right, everyone, let's walk towards that cliff. they're willing t...

And so i think he's more than willing to also go over the cliff. one, he knows what the fight is. two, as you said, it's not exactly a cliff. it's more of a slope. and he and the nation actually have a few more weeks, maybe a couple more months before the cliff really hits. >> yeah. the president is in a stronger position in every way, including tactically. let's listen to what he said in july on the campaign trail, in terms of his veto power that he has in this situation. >> will you veto any legislation that extends all of the bush tax cuts even to what you call the wealthy? >> yes. and the ...

The people that lost are the people who we held accountable. held accountable for what they had to say and the bad decisions that they made. the guy that lost the election is the guy that lowered the taxes for the high income people. i don't know where their idea that the president isn't going somewhere with this. i'm curious to see how it comes out. and again i feel like i wish we could change the language on this so that it didn't seem like we were taking america with us. >> but it did give us the thelma and louise clip. jonathan capeheart, it's not exactly a cliff, it's kind of like a drive...

Question to ask a question is what will you veto, and to put it in a yes or know form like that reporter wisely did. that is the only reason the legislators listen to the president. he says if you do that i'll veto it. >> that is the balance of power. that is the thing that balances power with the legislature. it seems like a small thing, but it's a huge hammer. and i was thinking this is a case of like you know what you said you're going to do this, we're all going to do this. what patty murray and the president are asking, all right, everyone, let's walk towards that cliff. they're willing t...

>> do you think of yourself more as a thelma or a louise? >> well i've got the red hair. it is a noble thing to go off a cliff some time, but maybe it's not the perfect imagery. it's one of those things, i feel like the thing we need to get across to people as lovely as it is to say going off the cliff or whatever, this is a principled stand to make. this is not going off the cliff, you know, wiely e. coyote, it's trying to get the republican party to do the right thing. >> i believe they voted for higher top income tax rates, the obama position. the other piece of this cliff is a big spending...