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States, betrays his country, joins a terrorist organization dedicated to our destruction and uses his knowledge of america to help inspire, plan and execute terrorist attacks that kill american citizens, guess what? this guy is not double parked, he's not a shoplifter. throughout our history, we have killed americans who took up arms against their law abiding fellow citizens. this is not a legal issue. it's not an issue at all. if an american turns his back on americans trying to kill americans, you kill the sucker, period. no legal issue, kill him. >> gretchen: agreed from this point of view....

It's when you capture terrorists, when you put them in our prison system or guantanamo bay, that's when you make them martyrs and inspire further terrorist attacks to free them. >> gretchen: it's not just democrats. republicans also, to me, suddenly have an issue with the president playing out the war on terror. i mean, this is what he decided to do as far as how he's gone after the terrorists. i mean, i guess they want to try to detain some of these terrorists so they can glean more information which would be helpful, but you explained why that's not going to happen of the let me ask you this...

>> kill him, and then guess what, say sorry after. you want our money and our aid? >> we can't call it a war on terror and we'll have accidents and drones. still to come, one college is offering a refund to grads if their degree doesn't earn them a job that will pay off the student loans. plus, why three ivy league schools are suing some of their former students. that's next on the five. how do r car running like new? you ask a ford customer. when they tell you that you need your oil changed you got to bring it in. if your tires need to be rotated, you have to get that done as well. jackie...

People represent such a danger to the united states they need to be killed. i don't even care if that review happens after they're already dead. it's better than no review at all. you know, i'm with ron here. i don't have -- i'm a realist, and targeted killings have been part of u.s. policy for a very long time. you know, the cia tried many times to kill fidel castro. it was just unsuccessful at it. >> well that's -- >> i'm a realist. >> kill him, i'm not sure. but i can't deny it. i know they tried to defoliate him with his beard. i know they tried to give him hall louis na jens. >> the poiso...

The guy. this is the evidence that we have. we're not sure when it's going to happen. but we believe that he's right now working on killing americans. can we -- we think we have probable cause. the judges are going to say yeah, kill him. let other people look at it. >> first, as you said, i think the administration has a disclosure problem here because i read that white paper that nbc got ahold of. i didn't see anything in it that was militarily sensitive or intelligence sensitive. it could have been, i would imagine, released weeks ago. i think the american people do have the right to know th...