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The turkish border. it's not the safest place for al baghdadi to have been. there are other groups that operate there that are closer to al qaeda and that ever no love loss for isis. in fact, there are groups operating there that actively look out for and kill isis fighters. so the fact that baghdadi chose to be there suggests a level of desperation, it also suggests he was perhaps trying to get somewhere else. we heard earlier in the hour richard engel point out that that particular location is known for people smuggling in and out of turkey. that's -- that could be very indicative. the other...

Dead after a u.s. military operation last night in northwestern syria. we are awaiting some new video of the aftermath of the u.s. special forces operation which targeted a suspected isis safe house, u.s. helicopters, jets and drones all were deployed. officials believe that the isis leader abu bakr al baghdadi is among the dead. erin mclaughlin is joining me from turkey just across that border from syria. what are you hearing from your vantage point? >> reporter: well, alex, everything we're hearing so far from u.s. sources suggests a well-executed, well-planned operation took place in the mi...

Hierarch hierarchal, and isis is one of them, where the fighters take on a decentralized kind of structure, it's really not as effective in bringing an end to the group when you decompass tate the leader. >> what was it like being a woman under deep cover? horrible things could happen to you as a woman. was it easier to get information? how did you do all of that? >> one of the things that is exciting in the intelligence woman at the moment is seeing more and more women take on leadership roles. because my experience was that actually the feminine approached problem-solving, the emotional inte...

Called on the fact that nobody knew anything about his background and kind of twisted that to make it mysterious and and appealing and kind this invisible sheikh moniker. we have seen that time and again. zarqawi had all kinds of questionable issues about his mother and was not very stable or well respected in the community before reinventing himself as the leader of al qaeda in iraq, which is really isis's precursor. so whether or not there is somebody else waiting in the wings who will reinvent himself to take his place, remains to be seen. but i did certainly work on the precursors to isis....

The people who give the money to some degree give it because he is in charge. whoever the new leader is will have to build that credibility with donors as well as with recruits coming in. however, it's worth pointing out that a decapitation doesn't always necessarily mean the less guy will be less effective. we've seen with al baghdadi himself when his predecessor was killed there was a hope that this would be a big blow to isis, instead we got al baghdadi who was, in anything, worse than his predecessor. it's always possible the next guy will be worse, more effective, more deadly than al bagh...