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Bidding for them. not an expert shot. he was a good shot, but not an expert shot. $12 mail order rifle. notoriously unreliable. very unstable. here's a guy, chris, that defected to the soviet union pre pre-gorbachev, 1959, even today, who in the world defects to russia? he gets over, desperately wants to become a soviet citizen, he's a devout marxist. they turn him down. what does he do? he slashes his wrists, tries to commit suicide, just the type of person the cia or the mob would want to rely on to commit the biggest murder in history. point number three -- >> very quickly. >> assuming that...

>> j. edgar hoover said back in '69 that they had had regular contact with jack ruby. >> david kaiser is a historian and author of "the road to dallas." >> he couldn't make the payoff. he was looking for help wherever he could get it. >> jack ruby made calls to individuals associated with organized crime. >> the report about ruby's sister, ruby got a phone call right at this time and went in the other room and threw up. maybe he got a phone call that said, ruby, we need you to do something for us. >> but mark lane insists the cia had the means and the motive to kill kennedy. >> the cia decided...

Was the difference between john kennedy being assassinated in 1960 and 1963. but steven king was here and he was talking about the night before, oswald assassinated kennedy. he went back to his wife one last time and tried to get back together with her. she turned her back to him and the next morning he took off his wedding ring, picked up the rifle and went to the book depository and as steven king said. our entire history as a nation was changed by that one decision of a wife that night. and this is how history -- >> look at stuff all the time. what's not in this book, 1933, goes to miami's ...

>> why not? >> we don't usually talk about it in the first block, but it's a fascinating book. first of all, give everybody the premise. >> three things that almost happened in recent american history and in fictional narrative terms saying what if it happened? what if john kennedy had been killed by a suicide bomber in palm beach, florida, in 1960 as president-elect? nobody knows that. >> explain that. it's one of the things that stunned me when i read this book. >> an anti-catholic deranged guy parked in a car loaded with dynamite, secret service takes no notice of him, he's going to kill ke...

Of robert kennedy's most zealous -- >> fascinating. >> yeah. >> fully capable -- and there's a lot of fun in it because for people like us, you know, there's no james bond phenomenon because that was john kennedy. bobby ends the vietnam war, so m.a.s.h. is a flop as a movie because no one wants to see that. whenever we talk about these things, you make the point, look how close things that happened totally change the political dynamic. >> steven king was on after you were here and told a similar story. again, the attempted assassination attempt in 1960. and you had instead of mrs. kennedy comi...