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The law process will go forward, appeals will be held. >> martha: secretary kelly, how are the border agents doing down there? what is their attitude toward the administration? >> they couldn't be happier. i will tell you this, they are remarkable men and women. they have been very, very underappreciated, not allowed to do their job, now, they are simply doing their job and they are happy to do it. i have to add a comment. when i hear people criticize men and women like i.c.e., believe the first thing that they hear on tv or in the media, i am reminded by a guy by the name of brian terry, who ...

That murdered her son, one of the illegal aliens that murdered her son. to those of a kind of men and women we have here. those of the kind of families they come from. the only thing she said to me was, please, please, please, tell them all to be careful. i pray for them. that is my last comment, martha. these are wonderful men and women. >> martha: thank you very much. we followed his story very closely here and that was very good news for his family and for the rest of the country, as well, when you all attract those people down. we truly appreciate you being with us today, gentlemen. thank ...

Conversation. >> martha: i don't know how you expect to get an education if you don't hear both sides of thought, political thought, whatever it is. lisa, the question, it has been like this for a while. what is the catalyst for change, if there is one? >> i think there needs to be at a grassroots level, speakers like ann coulter, who essentially shamed berkeley into re-inviting her onto the college campus. turning point usa, a lot of these organizations at the grassroots level that are trying to bring change to these campuses. i think there needs to be rejection of this mentality from the lef...

Expect that it will not be honored? >> i have made my position clear over the years. actually, as to the legality of the president's order, one of the orders has already been struck down. look, what we got to do and what the general has to do, is to deploy his resources at the most important areas. as you heard president trump say, we are focusing on criminal people, people who have gotten into violation of the law, and to have otherwise present a threat to the united states. that is who we are focusing on now. >> martha: in other words, people who are here undocumented, but are not breaking a...