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That will come with chaos, but that chaos is not necessarily a bad thing. >> what chaos do you think when you are talking, what sort of chaos do you think might ensue if you are talking about pulling out troops from syria and afghanistan without the defense secretary? >> the defense secretary works for the president of the united states. we have civilian control of the military. the chaos that is going to ensue, in afghanistan, this has been the killing zone for empires for generations, whether it is the british empire, the russians, 17 years in, the united states. very difficult, it is diffic...

Becoming an american export at the moment. during the course of this weekend theresa may was called upon by members of her own party to bring a noose to the next meeting that she had with them because she was entering the killing zone. that is the kind of language that we are hearing around the world in politics at the moment. i'm not saying that it's coming directly from the united states, but the kinds of language that donald trump uses, chooses to use when he gets up at rallies is fostering an atmosphere like this where people feel they can use this vicious angry language to the detriment o...

The school which makes it easier to clamp down that physical perimeter. right now i'm sure they were trying to figure out how far they have to lay out a perimeter to enclose the area and keep the shooter inside that area if they can. that's the very, very first priority, is to get that perimeter set up. if he has now left that perimeter or they have a hard time establishing that perimeter, that's what they're working hard to do right now. in this situation also -- i'm not sure anyone has brought it up. it's a developing situation. it seems like this say different situation, the shooter, having...

We don't know of any military history or anything, but he did have tripods, this someone who had training or is this just -- he let a gun go. >> it was certainly somebody in possession of automatic weaponry. when i listened to the chilling sound of the weapons, he either obtained an automatic weapon illegally or he bought a semiautomatic weapon and used a modification kit and illegally modified that weapon. i understand there were a couple tripods and as art pointed out, the fact that he had broken out two corner windows and the problem for the victims on the ground, it's so difficult to deter...

Went with suicide vest and they department know how they got them operational and that brings us back to the problem we face with vehicle terrorist attack and people driving a car and very hard to prevent. what do you do? regulate to people in parts of the city? ncia warned barcelona and not only that, but the pedestrian shop. and this very kind of attack would happen. but the warning is important. but what can you do with it? >> you put in a greater presence on the street. and you try to set up vehicle barriers and try to create greater egress and they don't get caught in one area for the kil...