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Needed to da to fire up the base with an uphill climb in this year's mid terms? >> i don't know how he could have done any better. you know what he actually did, griff, is he literally had a prepared speech which they had thought through, and he just totally gave a nearly extemporaneous speech. it was off the cuff. it was from his heart. it was obvious that he was just talking about what he believes his kin ship is with the conservative movement, which is the base, the heart and soul of the republican party, and they loved it. griff: matt, do you believe, there was some discussion in the halls...

Wrong, all of that. i'm telling you, maybe it's a dr. phil experiment at some point. i'm telling you what's going on. they're both bold in their views and they've also been, chris, they've been criticized for those views. you put it all together and they feel a kin ship between themselves. >> that i get. a set of absolute beliefs and being in the bunker with him. that is quite descriptive. here's the question. is there a revelation that could come out about donald trump about his private behavior, about his public behavior, anything he did? roy moore we saw this put to the test. this is a pers...

Newspaper, so it's really sort of a marker and he's an orthodox jew and he marries a very prominent -- the very prominent ivanka trump who converts to marry him. she's are all actions of someone -- people talk about jared as being low key, but if you look at the trajectory of his career, now there he is right by the president-elect, it's really an -- all of it adds up to an extraordinary statement. >> i van caprobabi are you surpg met and knowing him? >> no, not at all. i saw sort of when i was reporting this piece in the summer, just how determined he was. and it's real for him. he really bel...