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Has played out rather quickl and seems to have the tensio of the situation seems to have dissipated rather quickly. >> it has, i give a lot of credit to the bide administration they responded forcefully, i multiple channels, multipl channels, military non-military, diplomatic to make known that this kind o behavior is not acceptable it's outrageous. it can't happen again. they did not overreact lawrence, they did not use thi as a moment that we get some tit-for-tat escalation with th russians i think it's quite remarkabl that were already tragically into the 13th month of thi horrific war, pre...

Of all the work you've done. and we're sitting here in th united states right now, looking at all the things that are happening, scared. you've witnessed firsthand the rise of authoritarianism do you look at what's happenin here and have fears that tha could happen here? >> it already is, stephanie. first, thanks for having me. but just listening to kind o -- we heard earlier, you double down that's exactly the kind of incentive structure. our communications - and courage. it's not surprising that's the behavior we see. >> so, you've also witnessed what happens when there' dissent against a di...