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Party's nominee. is it essential that you are on the stage propelled to the nomination? >> it is not essential, but this debate will get massive ratings because of the donald trump affect. it changes so rapidly and someone winning now could be losing in a month and in politics, it is all about come back. i don't think it is it vital but it is extremely important. >> you mentioned trump. observers say he he is consouming the political oxygen and headlines. what do the others do to counter act that. >> they talk about donald truck. rick perry did. that and john kasich has not played that card. a...

Campaign and outside romney campaign adviser told you in the book, quote, they haven't been able to grapple with the central issue and central challenge they face as a campaign, that is that in the absence of a candidate who has any poetry, any ability to connect on an emotional level, how do you create a bond? if you're a supercharismatic candidate like george w. bush or john mccain they ran without a real bold agenda. they had more emotional level, values level ways to connect with voters. this guy hasn't had it. evan, is it essential that at some point he connect or can voters simply say, l...

Value levels way to connect with voters. this guy doesn't have it. he has all the warmth of a wall street ceo." evan, is it essential that at some p point he connect or can voters simply say, look, you know, i can't have a beer with him, but i think he can turn the economy around. >> well, as you were saying at the top of the show, if the economy tanks and if unemployment goes way up, he can win by default. but, sure, i mean -- he's got to do -- he's got to do better than he's done. he's been a bad politician. he's got to find a way to be -- i don't like this word, relatable, some way to relat...