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Getting hold of those saying take the financial disclosures of michael cohen and only way to prove committing insurance fraud is the tax returns. >> impeachment is political exercise and what i think house democrats are doing is oversight is popular. impeachment is not. they'll call it oversight as long as possible while laying out a factual basis to lead to articles passing the house. >> they are buying insurance on the mueller report. if it doesn't provide the smoking gun that they need they need to play a predicate for the next step. the train is on the tracks now. this is happening whether...

>> what do you think of that when it comes to this, atima? you're nodding, is there agreement on that? >> yes. one of the interesting things about the poll, i was agreeing with rick on that, yeah, this is pretty stunning to see not only a certain amount of americans who think he should be impeached but also censured. so that's a large number for just any president of either party. you know, there's a majority of americans, at least certainly in this poll, who think there is cause to reprimand the president, be it impeachment or censureship. the other thing i was going to say, certainly is that...

Not impeachment hearings yet, but there should be a way to get this information to the house and perhaps this might be a reason for an inquiry about the election. maybe the house should start an inquiry about the 2016 election. not call it impeachment, just an inquiry. >> to tim's point, there was one avenue that could ensure this happens. so the special counsel does provide a report to his boss, whoever that is, whether it's acting attorney general when he concludes his inquiry. if he suggests a course of action and the attorney general decides it is so unwarrant and the departure from depart...

President's narrative that there is a deep state because this is not the deep state. this is somebody he hired. this is a senior administration official that trump hired who is now saying that he is unfit. and i think that as citizens we have to thinking about what our options are. is t is it impeachment? is it the 25th amendment? how would that begin? we need to explain to the american people, who may not be familiar with the 25th amendment, that hasn't been a part of the everyday conversation, and i think it should be not just because of this op-ed, not just because of the woodward book or t...

>> meanwhile the middle class dies and no one cares. great to see you. so, is it legal, is it even possible to annul a presidency? so, i have noticed that the left has become more than anything a religious movement, and the use of the word annulment kind of proves that. if the presidency were annulled as rice suggests, would heretics who insist on acknowledging that trump was president, would they be punished? >> that's a funny way to put the question. i don't think it's a serious argument and i don't think we are at the threshold of t impeachment yet. i think there's a tendency, as there was ...