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Different numbers that say we've got a profound problem, and the first thing in dealing with the problem is talking about it throughout the kitchen counter, the water cooler at the business place, or hearing about in the body politic. >> shannon: we know both parties have contributed to this conversation to get us to this place. republicans i, if you go out there and talk about this but you're doing it in a way that ie president or you wouldn't be doing it, they have concerns that you would hurt him with some way with the voters that will potentially make them more vulnerable to democrats. do ...

I could go through a litany of different numbers that say we have a profound problem in the first thing in dealing with the problem is talking about around the kitchen counter, around the water cooler at the business place. >> we know both parties have contributed to get us to this place but the public and saying if you go out there and talking about this but in a way that will challenge the president or you wouldn't be doing it they have concerns that you would hurt him in some way with some voters, that would potentially make them more vulnerable to democrats, do you think they are better eq...

A pizza box on karen's kitchen counter. >> you could walk by and think it has no importance at all. it was crucial in this case. >> cox was able to lift a clean fingerprint from the box. it was tim permentor's and it blew a hole in the account of the night she was killed. >> he said she wasn't there when the pizza was delivered. >> he said i was out of there at 7:30. >> his fingerprints were on the box. >> the receipt said it was delivered at 8:48. >> yes. he put himself right there at the scene and in the last crucial hours of her life. >> a core set of facts. >> for him. >> and then tim's al...

And a 4.3 could knock something off the wall or knock a glass off a kitchen counter. fortunately this type, size of earthquake is not expected to size structural damage and we've heard that from the sheriff's department this month. no reports of damage or injuries. we can tell you it happened about 50 minutes ago. the sheriff's department says it was quickly followed up by a 2.2 aftershock. we expect aftershocks to go on probably the next day or two as these things go with were earthquakes. earthquakes of this strength, 4.0, will have unsettling tremors for the next 24, say, 48 hour. good news...

The man who lived in the guest house and showed up at the crime scene within minutes of the officers. and, who was the first person to point the finger at steve. >> but the fact that law enforcement viewed him in a different way that they viewed steve democker, that they saw jim knapp as a friendly witness, and they see steve democker as a suspect, frames the way that they investigate. so anything having to do with jim knapp becomes excusable, explained, it's just not something you have to worry about because he's not our guy. >> reporter: and yet? look, for example, at these crime scene photo...