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We all know mueller has the answer to these questions already because there's no way he would be asking these questions if he didn't know what is the evidence he already has. >> we're less than an hour away from the next interview with the president. chris wallace is sitting down with the president. he'll talk about matthew whitaker, acting attorney general and i suspect we'll talk about this investigation in compliment with him. how do you see the two things? as discreet things or does one affect the other? >> they absolutely affect each other. the first thing, this is like richard nixon on s...

We want that. they then have the subpoena power, right, to take that, pick that document up, that report, because now mueller and his team, unlike starr, where i sat there and starr delivered his report, can't do that. they can say, oh, we'll take that by subpoena, thank you very much. they can do that, that way. >> but it could be altered, couldn't it? >> oh, my gosh. we are so much on the same page. >> you and me, here we go. >> exactly. so what happens if we're just in there having coffee? what happens if there's a redaction? now potentially you're talking obstruction. >> the plot thickens....

Rapper puts it. smith is dead, so mueller is not investigating to charge him. but who was smith talking to? that's where the russia probe meets -- if you were talking money to smith, now mueller wants to talk to you. i'm joined by shelby holiday, one of the reporters who broke this story, attorney mia wylie, and another former federal prosecutor, john flannery. thanks to all of you. shelby, what is the verification of the actual fund-raising due to the story? >> well, the money trail always matters. so what we know is he raised at least $100,000 from at least four people. and the timing is sig...

>> let me get a quick one to you, paul butler. you described the latter. you said at the beginning of your comments there are not that many people above michael flynn and paul manafort. i mean, there is the family. >> yes circumstances there a legal strategy to leaving the family for last because of the impact it will have on donald trump's very fragile emotional state when it comes to this investigation? >> yes, but it also could be huge leverage for mueller. we saw mueller do this with michael flynn's son. prosecutors use family members, the threat of prosecution of them as leverage, as a me...

With this constantine -- a reputed russian intelligence officer. you look at that and the fact that vander swan at the urging of rick -- >> rick gates. >> gates wound up having a conversation that was tape recorded. we don't know what is on that. but there's clearly a russian connection. manafort would know about what roger stone was doing during that period of time when he was a campaign manager. he would know what happened at the trump tower. he would know what happened at the convention. he would know what happened after the access hollywood tape was released. he has got to have lots of inf...