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That is why some catholic orders of priests and nuns and brothers take a vow of poverty. they own nothing. they have virtually zero income. they aspire to no wealth. they do that because of those words that jesus spoke. any of you who does not give up everything he has cannot be my disciple. franklin graham, just like his daddy before him, is very rich and very famous. if he's given up anything to follow christ, it sure isn't money. he makes a minimum, minimum of $750,000 a year and possibly vastly more than that that we can't easily trace. to make that kind of money as a semicoherent preacher...

>> professor, what would you like to hear in a political campaign about religion? my own feeling has been if you want to hear about religion, go to church. i don't understand why it's ever discussed by politicians at any time. what -- so i'm an extremist over here on -- i don't want to hear a word about it. then there's people who say, i need to know everything about you religiously in order to decide how i'm going to vote, i don't care where you are on taxes, i just care about where you are on religion. where do you think the balance is here? >> i think the balance is you state upfront what y...

Know is jesus christ's definition of a christian. jesus christ said, any of you who does not give up everything he has cannot be my disciple. have you given up everything you have to be a disciple of christ? >> i have given my life to christ when i was -- i was 22 years old. i got on my knees one night and asked god to forgive me of my sins. that night, i told god that i believe jesus christ was his son, that he died for me on calvary's cross and god raised him to life. i asked christ to come into my heart. when i gave christ my life, i meant is. i said, take my life, spin it however you want ...

Employment, on unemployment, they're focused on some of the larger indicators. gdp has obviously been, you know, getting closer to a trend growth rate like we want to see. so it's -- you're going to see a lot of grasping at things like gas prices and as you said earlier, lawrence, it is tough for a president to be facing rising gas prices, even if part of what's going on is, as jay carney said, is the seasonal factor, just prices go up in the summer. >> msnbc contributor jared bernstein. thanks for the reality check tonight, jared. >> my pleasure. coming up, former senator russ feingold is n...

Jesus christ said, any of you who does not give up everything he has cannot be my disciple. have you given up everything you have to be a disciple of christ? >> i have given my life to christ when i was -- i was 22 years old. i got on my knees one night and asked god to forgive me of my sins. that night, i told god that i believe jesus christ was his son, that he died for me on calvary's cross and god raised him to life. i asked christ to come into my heart. when i gave christ my life, i meant is. i said, take my life, spin it however you want to spin me, my life is yours. it's the greatest de...