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Longstanding tradition, they do not people at that time. roger stone is absolutely right, had was not charged with the indictments. it was only russians. but it doesn't take long to see that roger stone if you connect the dots had that to do with the campaign. and so the question is what was roger stone's knowledge level. and you wouldn't even necessarily have to know that guccifer 2.0 was in fact a russian operative. he would only need, a conspiracy charge needs to be that somebody commits a loose crime. you don't need know what other members of the conspiracy were doing. if he was aware that...

Weeks ago to an american special forces unit. they turned out to be much better than the russian operatives. the president of the united states has said practically nothing about those things. >> yeah. you think about it, mike, you have a situation where both, it's both the case i think that a lot of members of the intelligence community have assessed the president's seriousness, have assessed his knowledge level, have made all those determinations and have come to disrespect him because of that. also the way in which he conducts himself. and then there is the fact that the president has basic...

What he said in victory, has 1,000 authors, defeat is an orphan. >> exactly. >> neil: with this president, you see the legislative leaders, republican legislative leaders going full throttle with repealing healthcare. could he then say no, i'm going to pull a kennedy and not listen to those establishment guys. >> i wonder when he ran against the establishment in the first place and the people for him strongly cared about infrastructure and tax reform, what if he had said that's not my priority. he said 1,000 times we're going to repeal and replas it. but he made a lot of promises. >> neil: he ...

Point. people are trying to be aware of what this is about. so it does bring up the knowledge level. and we don't know how it will play out. but i suspect there will be some committee battles as well. that tends to happen with a controversial witness like this. so it will be sparks and good theater, as well. >> all i was going to add is he's also -- one thing he's not going to do is do anything to undermine bob mueller's investigation, because not only -- not only because he wouldn't do that, but these two men are very close. >> that's right. putting his own restrictions on himself there. than...

The psychological warfare against south korea. we had access to south korean material and i shared a document with a friend which is treason. >> like lee irene, he risked his to escape and turned himself into the south korean intelligence agency. >> in north core, there is no such thing as human rights. we are all slaves. >> you have been inside north korea many times. how much do they know what's going on outside and how much do they know about the whole sony hack story in the interview? >> it depends on what people are you are talking about. if you are talking about the average person on the...