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You've been mentioning for the last minutes. that would -- you will be facing severe penalties, including up to 15 years in prison. so, that's also a consequence or a ramification if you want to call it that way of this war, which is a war on journalist, media, with especially russian reporters but also foreign reporters working in russia are currently dealing with. we know at least of 150 journalists from russia that have gone into exile in the last days, and we also seen extreme measures being adopted by foreign journalists in order to be able to keep reporting and not to face these major pe...

The paper while he was in ukraine. he died in irpin after the car he was travelling in came under attack — another journalist was wounded. he's thought to be the first foreign journalist to die in this war. carlos martinez de la serna is program director for the committee to protect journalists. carlos, thank you very much for joining us. incredibly sad news and a violation of international law, how clear are the circumstances of brent renaud's death? ukrainian police official, the journalists were passing through a checkpoint when they were attacked. during that attack, brent renaud was sho...

>> sky news publishing the videos of that harrowing attack, and for this look at this part of the conflict, i'm joined now by carlos martinez de la serna, the committee director for the committee to protect journalists. welcome to you. i should mention by way of disclosure that our news organization, like most, have worked with your committee in the past, including at the annual fund-raiser. but you're here as an independent voice, and you look at everything we just saw. what is the state of the free press on the ground in ukraine? >> well, as you said, it's a war zone. it's extremely challeng...