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Since reconciliation was invented there have been 22 reconciliation bills. 21 have had to go back to the house for changes. this is what the trust issue is about. this bill of fixes was what house democrats had to have to pass the senate bill. things in there that protected constituents like labor groups. and right now republicans are basically lying in wait, scrubbing this bill a word at a time looking for anything -- first of all, they want to kill the bill. there are 19 different procedural ways they can do it. that may not happen. but if they can score a political point and take out someth...

Implemented at the end of the day. >> you have a lot of experience with labor groups and you are close to the input on this bill all year. they at certain points drew lines in the sand that some of them ended up crossing and some of them have like marcos decided they want to get in the primary business and in the business of challenging democrats over their stance on this particular bill. are you comfortable with that strategy with what could be described maybe as a purity test over one vote on one bill that should decide who is the liberal and who is not the liberal? that's what you should ha...

Out and more effective ends up being implemented at the end of the day. >> roger, you had a lot of work with labor groups and were certainly close to their input all year. they certainly drew points in the sand that some of them ended up crossing, and some of them have, markos decided they want to get in the business of challenging democrats over their stance on this bill. are you comfortable with that strategy, what could be described maybe as a purity test over one vote on one bill that should decide who is the liberal and who isn't the liberal, and that's what you should mount your challeng...

Completely gave up on a real historic opportunity to provide health care that truly works for americans, not for insurance companies and to truly reform the system. i don't think we're quite there yet. but like i said, there was a time for negotiating. now i think it's a time to realize that we did not have the votes, that we're still a party too compromised by corporatist democrats like blanche lincoln of arkansas who did their best to undermine a true populist health care reform bill. so we have to get what we can take and realize that now we know who some of these corporatist democrats are....

Now. all around, a peaceful protest that's definitely breaking up, ali. >> we've got you on tv, we're hearing you through the phone, but you are on camera right now. any counterprotests that you see, or is it the one group that is organized this protest? there aren't people sort of getting into it with each other there, are there? >> reporter: there was definitely some bumping that was going on between -- there was definitely bumping going on between the police and the protesters. police took the unruly protesters into custody briefly and then released them. this was a protest that was staged ...