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>> bill: right. >> but i think that a lot of democrats see the need for education reform and for lower taxes and by the same token a lot of republicans are kind of squishy on some of the issues. but what i think is going to happen here is that the public will will be done, which is they will have to pay more for health insurance. more for pensions. they won't be able to get automatic dues withheld for political campaigns and collective bargaining will be limited to wages and benefits. >> bill: you say that walker and kasich and the republicans are going to win it. >> are going to win. >> bill:...

And particularly inside the republican party, you get a hardened opposition to the president, then i think the landscape changes and i would be surprised if he doesn't have to look at that anew. for a lot of people in the party, as you know, chuck, she a compelling figure. >> and may not be ready to run in 2012 but taking part in politics. republican politics. in particular you write, working to find and dent fi republican governors who are promising. >> working behind the scenes very hard. it really is behind the scenes. it's mentoring a bunch of goober nay tomorrow candidates that's going to...

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