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He is the subject of two movies including a documentary "we steal secrets," including television coverage of this divisive figure. >> we have special forces. a dead man cannot leak stuff. >> this little punk. i stand up for obama. obama, if you are listening, take this guy out. >> obama should out out a contract and maybe use a drone or something. >> that is what i would like. >> use a drone. >> i sat down with the director in new york. >> welcome. >> thank you. >> there is your film. "the fifth estate," what makes him worthy of this attention? >> it is the whole dade -- david and goliath stor...

Cinematic attention? >> i think it's the whole david and goliath story. the idea of a guy with a backpack full of nothing but a laptop computer roving around the world and finding a way to publish the world's secrets. it's a powerful idea. >> you approached julia assange over your documentary and he said no. what happened? >> he said no. i had a spectacular six-hour nonstop meeting for him where he asked for a lot of money. i said i wouldn't give it to him. more interesting than that, he asked if i would spy on all the other interview subjects for him for a guy interested in source protection,...

He came, got together with the guys in california. they looked at it together. what will swenson told me is he had no memory of all of this. this level of detail, until he looked at that laptop computer. he said, you know, i can tell you every minute of the battle, where we were, where the enemy was, but i didn't remember the sounds, the wind, the dust, the sound of the gunfire, and even this moment of kissing sergeant westbrook good-bye. he just didn't remember it. then he saw it on the laptop, and i think it's very fair to say a lot of what happened in that valley came back and even came bac...

He appeared quite well. he was very articulate, very well up on things like the suggestions by the head of the house intelligence committee, mike rogers and former cia director mike hayden that snowden might well be put on the kill list for assassination. when i asked snowden about that, he just shook his head as if to say my goodness, what have we come to. >> tom, i read a comment -- >> by all accounts he's settling quite well. >> i read an account and ray, please join in as well, that the laptop computers that he carried, he told you were actually empty, they didn't have intelligence informa...

Is what the prosecutors are trying to prove, that he was not actually involved in the evacuation of the passengers, therefore, he's culpable of the deaths that occurred. >> he's actually saying he fell into a lifeboat? >> that right. he said he fell into a lifeboat during the chaos of the night. he coincidently had his laptop computer with him. it's interesting how that dynamic played out. them he said he couldn't get back on the ship. there was plenty of conversation that was taped between the port authority and the captain when he was on land. port authority saying get back on ship, get back...