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I'm not happy to talk about this. yeah, yeah, and i— i'm not happy to talk about this. yeah, yeah, and i understand i i'm not happy to talk about this. i yeah, yeah, and i understand that, and we don't need to talk about it also. just yet. when you were playing rugby, did you go through any game with advanced planning of like, this is where i'm going to be nutritionally, this is where i'm going to be mentally, emotionally. every game. going to be mentally, emotionally. every game-— going to be mentally, emotionally. eve came. , ., �* ., every game. every game. so i'm not too different â€...

More tangible i can use. he picks out a folder overflowing with documents, photos, personal address books, and i get a sense of excitement. . egyptian passport? si. 0h, egyptian passport? s. 0h, nigeria! let me egyptian passport? s v 0h, nigeria! let me take a picture of this. republic of guinea? let me take a shot of this. 0h, let me take a shot of this. oh, that's a lovely picture of three guys, looking very fashionable. laughter 0h, fashionable. laughter oh, wow! that's a ghanaian driver's licence. ghanaian passport? driver's licence. ghanaian passport?_ driver's licence. ghanaian i passmrt...

This, but the u—turn works well. these are one way bog shoes. yes, only forward. 0k! laughter 0h! bogshoes are a bit like snowshoes and our crew soon discovers the importance of wearing them. it is ok too. there's a lot. yeah, there's a lot. jordan has just emptied about a litre of water out of his boot. and that is why you wear bog shoes. so what's all of this made up of? because it feels like we are walking on a big sponge. yes, it's mostly made of the moss. more specifically, sphagnum moss. so this is the plant here.

And then, she was! she was all fine. she was. and then, she sat on a table that she thought was a chair that then collapsed in front of andy murray. laughter 0h, we've had a great time. as someone who does many podcasts — like, you're on the bbc, you've done this for years — like, what's it been like watching this pod develop and grow? because i know when we started it, we just didn't have a plan. we just wanted to do well. but, obviously, we came in as little fledgling ducklings. it — i mean, me and you, we'd — i'd down a call with you guys and it was — you just got in the studio an...

Sings # thank you! but... laughter i the job you've done — i knowjust something's occurred to me which i'd forgotten, but a really good friends of mine's wife developed breast cancer, subsequently had a double mastectomy, and ijust put her in touch with rachael. rachael said, "yep," and kind of, rachael personally counselled her. she found the time to do that. do you know what i mean? and so, with that and the public work she did, it's astonishing. do you think all of this has changed the way that you talk about cancer on air now? 0h, massively. i think it's changed the way the whole country...