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Kind of interesting. it's a term that's evolved in the last, i'd say last two or three years actually to describe what i think folks are recognizing as the 21st century's phenomena of the blurring of the space between peace and war. reporter: have to really look far to cite examples from the russian-packed cyber militia urge d.o.t. election cycle and isis use of information warfare to recruit an launch attacks outside of iraq and syria, martha. martha: catherine, this week there was confirmation key isis militants plotting against the u.s. were taken out. what role did the special forces play ...

Paul, you're also hearing about some new intelligence about the isis threat to europe right now. what are you learning? >> wolf, this comes from a senior european counterterrorism official. and they tell me there's very recent intelligence that european isis operatives in syria and iraq arin creasingly faking their own death over there. and the worry is that they're doing that so they can get back into europe and launch attacks, sneak back into europe because they wouldn't be so much on the radar screen of european security services believe that they are dead. and that the ringleader as you re...

Significant kill, the u.s. thinks, in terms of the direct links to paris attacks. >> one in ten of what the coalition are calling high-value targets, right? >> we don't know how high value they are. they've been described as middle to upper echelon. today the collision tried to make a direct link to killings and effect it's having. you've seen recent successes on the battlefield on the coalition and iraqi forces against isis. the coalition is saying they're hampering their ability to be have command and control, launch attacks, having direct effect on the ground. >> you talk about one of the s...

>> well, i think that the trouble with the war on isis is that we're winning too slowly, that it will take too long to take out this terrorist safe haven. we're looking now at a number of years before you can even start to think about eradicating isis from this dangerous safe haven, the most dangerous safe haven we've ever seen in history, that includes al qaeda on the day of 9/11. and the worry is that isis is increasingly pivoting towards international terrorism. we've seen 40 attacks around the world in the last year linked to isis in one way, shape or form where you have a more direct isis...

With isis, boy they will have their hands full. >> that's definitely true and when you look at how we know about americans are going overseas to join jihadist groups in places like syria, there was a congressional terror report that i wrote about, 250 americans had gone to join jihadists in syria. dozens had come back into the united states after doing so. >> the ryan thank you. gregg: ryan mauro, thank you very much. with all of these attacks, jetliner, beirut bombing, paris attacks now in mali, may well as ryan pointed out trigger terrorist sympathizers to launch attacks as well, not at all ...