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Because he didn't have to worry about bannon denouncing him to the public. it's sort of what lbj has said about j. edgar hoover, better to have him inside the tent than outside the tent. >> right. >> because someone who might differ from you can do the president a lot of damage. tomorrow for the first time, donald trump has to deal with the very real possibility that steve bannon will go out and use breitbart and his other -- the other institutions that he helps to command to put real pressure on the trump presidency and perhaps try to break off certain parts of the people who support about hi...

Crusading and stuff. breitbart's been pretty effective but they're -- i wouldn't describe them as a juggernaut in terms of landscape they are one factor among a media landscape that's changing all the time. do you expect that outside game, even if it doesn't involve breitbart, will also involve new efforts, new types of influence operations besides that one publication? >> i think i have heard that there's some interest by bannon and seeing if they can kind of launch breitbart tv of some sort. i mean, they're certainly not going to be alone in this field and you can take a look at rupert murdo...

Think they will see if they can shut down the government, play hardball like they did with bannon before and eric cantor. >> the decision by the mercers to fund that and then take bannon out of there and move him over to the trump campaign when they felt like the time was right, you know, there are a lot of ideological news outlets out there in the world that are funded and supported by rich people who want to use them for crusading and stuff. breitbart's been pretty effective but they're -- i wouldn't describe them as a juggernaut in terms of landscape that is changing all the time. do you ex...