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Pressure and he is being asked over and over to say things that he does not believe occurred. jim? >> and alex, how problematic could this be for president trump? people might say that well, jerome corsi -- sounds like a small fish in all of this. but this could be problematic. >> could be very problematic. if corsi admits he worked with wikileaks and coordinated with them on those e-mails and gave that information to stone, that then creates a direct line between the russian hackers who carried out those hacks and the trump campaign. and then the question becomes who on the trump campaign, wh...

And the hacked democratic e-mails they dumped to the trump campaign. now, corsi has not said anything more about his plea negotiations, so we don't know where those talks stand, but this comes after corsi himself said just last week that he expected to be indicted by mueller for allegedly lying. take a listen. >> i fully anticipate that the next few days i will be indicted by mueller for some form or other of giving false information to the special counsel or to one of the other grand jury or whomever they want to do the indictment. but i'm going to be criminally charged. >> now, many people m...

Detrimental to stone's legal interests. equally, though, it could be that corsi has nothing to add. he's just flat out lied to mueller, and mueller doesn't -- and he's going to be charged like george papadopoulos and all the others in one count of lying to mueller. >> but there could be some critical information that ties a lot of this together, which that really is something we have not seen at this point in the investigation up until now. >> exactly. stone to corsi all have some connection to wikileaks, the organization that distributed the hacked e-mails. so could that all be a criminal con...

Legal fix that he might be in. >> sure. i don't -- i don't think there's anyone who is at all surprised by roger stone's reaction to this. the decision that he made to go out in front and start vehemently denying based on this information that's now become public. it's just not surprising at all. and it's i think further proof that there is real concern about the ability for robert mueller to draw that line from the russians to wikileaks to corsi and stone, to the president. that's i think what is so concerning for roger stone. and it's certainly further evidence of why the president has tried...

Going to determine at this juncture by jerome corsi. as sunlen just mentioned, if jerome corsi is getting a plea deal from robert mueller, we should assume he has something of value to the special counsel. and if that something of value is information on who helped him, for example, launder information through wikileaks, and who else was in touch with the russians, who else knew in advance that wikileaks was going to dump e-mails, that could help determine robert mueller's next move. and so we should wait to see what any kind of plea agreement looks like. and from there, we can start to ascert...