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Top law enforcement in his administration in the closing weeks they were there to try to deal responsibly with this totally unprecedented remarkable situation as president obama tried to separate the law enforcement function from the law enforcement he told them do this by the book. you proceed independently. the president stressed he's not asking about initiating or instructing anything from a law enforcement perspective. our law enforcement team needs to proceed as it would by the book. from an intelligence and national security perspective, he wanted an organized, well-informed approach as ...

At chris wray relatively soon after appointing him, and we seem to know that it had something to do with andy mccabe, whom the president really seems to hate. but i think what we learned today, from this axios story, is that at some point -- and my suspicion is that it was a number of weeks ago, but i'm not sure of that -- at some point, that really came to a head and involved a serious confrontation between the fbi director and the attorney general in which the fbi director was forced to defend the line of the political -- the apolitical nature of the law enforcement function, and to chris wr...

These two -- these two departments? after all, he is the head of the country? >> well, it's very important that the investigative and law enforcement function be separated from the political function. and the president really represents a good part of the political function, even though he's the head of the executive branch. so you want a certain independence. people have to know when someone is being investigated for a federal crime in this kurngts it's above politics. it has nothing to do with politics. it's based purely on the facts. let the chips fall where they may. whatever the evidence ...

Decades across political administrations to protect civil rights. >> now you know a lot of the players from the career people, rod rosenstein, certainly, and james comey. what do you expect on thursday at this extraordinary hearing? >> well, you know, i think that on thursday, the american public is going to have a chance to really assess whether the administtion is deaning the rule of law. it has always been vital important in our system of government that the law enforcement function remain apolitical. there cannot be politization of law enforcement because otherwise the american public will...

The president also said, when he was saying that, that he was promising clean air and clean water. he's going to cut the epa. does he not know the connection between protections that are in it, environmental protection agency, and air our children breathe, the water they drink, the safety of the food that they eat? and the protection of their neighborhoods. what is he going to do to the justice function and the law enforcement function in the budget? because all of it will be subjected to cuts, according to what he is putting forth. we haven't seen a budget. we've seen -- what do they call it,...