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Had something out for their political opponents, thought their political opponents might have even done something wrong. but it's so different to have a sitting president out there pressuring the justice department to go after a political opponent, no matter what the political opponent has done. most presidents have seen that, at least in the post watergate era, as that being a step too far, that that was too interfering of the idea of an independent law enforcement process. if their opponents did do something wrong, then an independent law enforcement process should be able to determine that ...

That's the law enforcement process. if the department of justice and rosenstein said, sorry, mr. president, we are not going do what you ask. what's the likelihood the president would have thrown a grenade in and said, you're out. despite this is unusual, i'm in the sure rosenstein made the wrong decision. i think he bought time. >> do you think rod rosenstein was basically buying time? >> no, it's a split the baby decision. i come from a civil libertarian perspective. the president for this with the fbi having a movement to protect it, which is what they said about civil rights movements and ...

You can say a lot of things about meeting at the white house. and the demands that proceeded it. accuse rod rosenstein of caving or shined the president on. or called the president's actions inappropriate. you cannot say this is an any way shape or form normal. accept the administration. with us now the panel. phil, just from a law enforcement standpoint. how unusual is this? >> we're talking in the green room trying to find a situation where this happened before. and i can't remember when. that said before you judge rosenstein too hard let's play out a scenario. if you're in the law enforceme...

Doing at the justice department, what's your recourse? >> if the congress doesn't act? >> mm-hmm. >> well, i don't think there's much of any recourse, except we have to hope that the mueller investigation is protected, and that ultimately there's an accounting through the law enforcement process, but as you could tell, the president is getting closer and closer to trying to shut that down. >> so you're basically saying, because we were having this debate in our meeting today. i'm guessing the founders never intended for the legislative branch to step aside when it comes to some of these issues...

And also the president has a failure to deport these that his administration has great authority over through the law enforcement process. but let's go back to chris' statement, but was we're really seeing is this. trump's policy is an anti-immigration party, and that is the reality. gone are the voices of the jeb bushes and the george bushes and the john kasichs. this is president trump's voice being reflected in his politics. when they talk about wealthy and educated immigrants only, they're talking about white. they're not talking about bringing diversity into the country. donald trump is p...