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Grimes. that was one of the most successful in the country. how do you think that's going to play with the state voters, rick? >> the success of obamacare, the relative success of obamacare? kentucky? >> yeah. >> probably less of an issue than in other states. ultimately, obamacare in my mind is a lead balloon. people have lost their doctors, separated from their doctors, and sometimes pediatricians, sometimes their doctors. again, jimmy's an unusual case. most of people's prem use have gone way up. >> i'm not sure i'm an unusual case. once the numbers bear out, i think they'll say i'm more of...

Went up like a lead balloon. what was the reaction to this? >> let me clarify a couple things. a, i don't know if there's a lot of discussion with people suggesting all nfl owners are drug tested. i posed the question in the column that i wrote about it against the context of what the nfl is really facing in terms of disciplining and dealing with jim irsay after his arrest. and talking to some of the owners, hey, of course, you can drug test me. i don't care. in fact, robert kraft told me that and a couple of other owners, but realistically, i don't think that's what we're talking about. we're...

Carry this big 660-page document with him to las vegas and put it on the desk and say, see there, it says i'm innocent. i think this whole thing is about the report saying that he is innocent, which he's said from day one. it's more like a defensive christie than it is a real look at what happened. >> which is interesting, because even some christie supporters have said they believe that chris christie had no involvement and that is to be determined after federal and state investigations, however, the presentation with this attorney hired by christie went up like a lead balloon to your point, ...

Bagels who doesn't have customers anymore. when we talk about these big things, bring it home to this is these people's livelihood. >> this is why i think the reaction yesterday to the republicans in the house saying we've come up with an idea for the debt ceiling but nothing for the government, went up like a lead balloon because of that very reason. >> yeah, and it's so sad. these people have nothing to do with what's going on in washington, regardless of who's in charge or who's to blame. but they are bearing the brunt of this. they are the one who's can't pay their electric bills perhaps. ...

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