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Years before she got there but she lost audience as well. dan rather lost it, she lost it why couldn't she bring people in. >> honest answer, bill, i'm in good company with i think i mexicoed this last week to you william goldman the fellow who wrote butch cassidy and sundance kid and a bunch of other movies. he says when it comes it predicting success in the world of entertainment, quote, nobody knows anything. the honest answer is i don't know for sure what i have suggested in the past some people are poplar in the morning they are breakfast serial like corn flakes. katie couric was corn fla...

Closed surface. the water's not going to dump out. >> it's under 20 bucks. >> let's talk about this, the cat's favorite toy. >> this is called fall a cat. it's called the bolt. you turn this on, there's a little l.e.d. bolt. is he playing here? there we go. i'll hold it so you can see that. it goes on for 15 minutes. you can handle it if you want. but it will -- >> what you're seeing is a red light in front of it. you can watch -- the cat can watch it. >> the red light is moving all around in different patterns. and after 15 minutes it shuts off. >> what about furniture? for people who have gr...

>> it's under 20 bucks. >> let's talk about this, the cat's favorite toy. >> this is called frolicat. it's called the bolt. you turn this on, there's a little l.e.d. bolt. is he playing here? there we go. i'll hold it so you can see that. it goes on for 15 minutes. you can handle it if you want. but it will -- >> what you're seeing is a red light in front of it. you can watch -- the cat can watch it. >> the red light is moving all around in different patterns. and after 15 minutes it shuts off. >> what about furniture? for people who have great furniture, it's hard to keep the pets off. >> all...