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Than she does. but ultimately, the leverage may not be there. what they need to find is they need four members of the senate who are republicans who will demand a fair trial so to speak for the american people. they need to be looking at folks like mitt romney and susan collins. >> see if they can get -- >> to see if they can really get them to pull some leverage here. but ultimately, everything is about the election, which is less than a year away, and that's going to be the ultimate check on the power of mitch mcconnell, the white house. >> political accountability. mara, leah, thank you so ...

Curveball for trump. democrats on the house judiciary committee telling a federal court that they want former white house counsel don mcgahn to testify so they can decide, quote, whether to recommend additional articles of impeachment. that obviously would be a huge development and signals how seriously democrats are treating obstruction by this white house. i talked to chairwoman maxine waters about that just last night. >> what we see is a continuation of them not responding to subpoenas, them not responding to the requests for documents. the president basically telling everyone around him d...

Their favor, that don mcgahn has to potentially testify. what is your reaction to that development and how significant is it? >> well, there is nothing in the constitution that says they can't include additional articles of impeachment if additional evidence comes forward giving them a basis for doing this. i think perhaps the reason they're highlighting this now is to have a response to the doj's position was essentially that don mcgahn's testimony was moot at this point because it didn't affect the existing two articles of impeachment that had been voted on. so they had to come up with a res...

Corruption. but also about the obstruction and this crazy conspiracy that he's had with russia that leaves him meek, like some sort of doll when he's in helsinki. i think that we're in for some rough waters. but i like the direction. i think there's been a tectonic schiff against the president and i think that's what we're seeing here, his desperation. there was a remark today an senator mccain's memorial service about how character is destiny. well, if you have no character, your destiny has to be a tragedy. and that's what we have in the white house right now. >> to that point that john just...

>> leah, let me get your reaction to as well both the comments that jeff sessions' job is safe until the midterms, some interpreting that as somewhat of a veiled, so to speak, if i can use that expression, but also not calling the mueller probe illegal. >> right. so i don't even see it va vailed threat. i see it as a direct threat. we know that donald trump has been making very explicit threats to jeff sessions, in expressing his unhappiness with sessions' refusal to put himself back into the russia investigation and to be a loyalist and to be a team player. we've seen that over and over again...