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On. what did you think of his angst to your very straightforward question? >> well, i think i thought the same thing that most americans watched, frustrated by it. it was clearly within the guardrails of things he would and would not talk about and i think it was important for people to know, were individuals within the special counsel leaking information, and, by the way, tuck, if you noticed, i made this point before, in every one of these cases, all 25 of them, it was always information that was detrimental to the president. it was always embarrassing and meant to againish him. they never l...

Even before he said let's do it over again, he repeated it is going to be a wonderful financial statement so they have that without the mick mulvaney cough. that is point one. point two, let's remember, but i don't think this is the driving impetuous but the producer in him but donald trump noted germophobe does not like to shake hands and be around sick people and who does and people have colds but some of that goes into it. it is how he treats people. this is his chief of staff. i will say, wolf blitzer would into the treat someone like that. i have coughed and i have sneezed before on set. ...

Here with russia but what potentially lies ahead in the southern district of new york? >> there is the $64,000 question, arthel. that's something that everybody wants to see. there's no way to predict what might be in that, what might -- what investigations might be going on in the southern district. but i would suspect you're going to have a greater chance of leaking information out of those institutions than any leak that could conceivably come from bob mueller. arthel: what, if anything, bill gavin, what does it say or tell thaws -- the mueller report tell us about investigating a sitting p...

>> it has been two years of nonstop attacks on the president. this was going on before he became president. there has been an effort undermined by our own government by the fbi, the cia leaking information to the media to try to run with this conspiracy narrative of collusion and there was a concerted effort to whitewash all of the truly legitimate crimes of clinton when it came to her email server, when it came to allowing classified information being sent to all our enemies, they whitewashed that, covered it all up and ran with this narrative of collusion and the media has been running with ...

>> when he accuses you of leaking his testimony, leaking information, you are say iing - go ahead. >> what i'm saying is, we have always maintained the position that while we won't talk about the substance of a witness' testimony, we will reveal whether non-cooperative, so they cannot mislead the public into thinking they are answering our questions. that is not only a practice that we have had, but also my colleagues in the gop have from time to time used the same practice, for example, when steve bannon came in and stonewalled our committee. they were more than willing to go out publicly and...