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Those grandiose decisions in that way. i understand he's the president. this is different, and there should be a respect for the office, which i think is being honored here. but on the other hand, he's taking power that he has solely because of that office and using it in a way to try to mess up, if you will -- i mean i won't even use the word obstruction. let's just say mess up or kind of mess with the investigation, and that is a real, i think, abuse of power. >> what a terrific conversation to start us off on a monday night, starting with a member of the team at "the washington post" whose ...

Here is what meghan mccain said about the leaks coming from the trump white house. >> if you are working in the white house, you should expect anything you are saying -- if something said something that egregious back stage i would expect it to be on the daily mail in seconds. we don't live in a time any more and you aren't working in a white house that doesn't have a leaking problem -- >> i don't agree with that. i don't think that -- i don't feel like if somebody said something bad here that we would -- someone hear would automatically leak it. i think the people would be reprimanded and it ...

And the constant leaks. >> if you are working in the white house you should expect anything you said to be public. we are not working in white house that doesn't have a leaking problem. if i was working at the white house i would assume anything i say could be talked about on the view the next day. >> sarah sanders was livid. and whoever leaked it is selfish. they also spoke with people in the white house who say when they walk into meeting they know they can't trust their colleagues. for more on this i'm joined by an axios reporter. this is a strange story to report on. you are talking to lea...

Here's mr. doocy today. >> mr. comey said he leaked these memos to a friend, leaked to the newspapers to start the special counsel. do they show collusion? do they show obstruction of justice? no and no. >> he was worried about andy mccabe's loyalty. he said, i was pretty tough on him during the campaign. he said, don't worry about it. when it comes to the fbi, we check our biases at the door. not true! >> seemed pretty thin reads. i think they tried. i think steve and brian, they were going, mr. president, we're going to do the best we can for you, but we don't have much. >> we're going to po...

President and so and a dear friend. my hat's off to steve bannon. >> can you just clear up the other charge? it was a very bitter charge that scaramucci leveled against you that you're a leaker and that you're really not that loyal to the president. you've got your own agenda. he makes a bitter accusations against you, specifically the leaking. are you the leaker in the white house? >> that's ridiculous, wolf, come on. give me a break. i'm not going to get into his -- >> why not? why not respond to his -- >> because i'm not going to because it doesn't honor the president. i'm going to honor th...