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He -- the transition under stress -- the transition of how it got into the hand is kind of moot and, you know, my background, training and experience, i've interviewed numerous police officers involved in shootings and frequently i hear i shot -- well, when you draw, they are not clear on how they got into position, they just know they did it. instinctually, survival mechanism, whatever it is. the point still remains the gun was in his hands and he did in fact discharge it. >> he did it in a way that was in contact with billowing clothing that was two to four inches away from the chest, correc...

Now, if you have wet clothing, clothing is heavier. and there's going to be a greater tendency to fall. and if you have something in the front, pulling the shirt down, as you lean over, again, it tends to pull away from the body. so, the wound, itself, by the gap, by the powder tattooing, in the face of a contact with the clothing, indicates that this is consistent with mr. zimmerman's account, that he, that mr. martin was over him, leaning forward, at the time he was sho shot. >> let's shift gears for a moment and talk about trayvon

Back. the blood gets in your throat and you can gag and throw up. you don't want to do that. you want to sit straight, lean forward, and the rule of surgery and bleeding is always to hold compression. if you can do it, then you put some sort of cotton ball with neosporin and that takes care of 99%. this happens in the winter time. humidifier, use vaseline to keep it lubricated. >> eric: this morning it happened. if you lean over the sink, i'm getting a bloody nose. what do you do? >> check your bloop. you may have high blood pressure. there are a lot of reasons why you would have this. recurre...

That, but i just think that he may not be all there. >> these gigantic hand movements are not normal. he knew what he was going to be asked when he went on. >> he knew. >> so the expletive, taking up the big space, leaning forward, using his body to kind of be very aggressive, and the very large hand movements all say to me i'm trying to attack you so you'll back off. when we become that angry. >> but that's not crazy, though. that's con drived. >> right. >> there's a goal there. >> yes. >> so you're saying that he isn't nutty. >> no, i'm not saying that. there's a fine line between how he's b...

That, but i just think that he may not be all there. >> these gigantic hand movements are not normal. he knew what he was going to be asked when he went on. >> he knew. >> so the expletive, taking up the big space, leaning forward, using his body to kind of be very aggressive, and the very large hand movements all say to me i'm trying to attack you so you'll back off. when we become that angry. >> but that's not crazy, though. that's con drived. >> right. >> there's a goal there. >> yes. >> so you're saying that he isn't nutty. >> no, i'm not saying that. there's a fine line between how he's b...