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We choose to focus on teaching kids. >> how do you know if they are learning anything if you don't test them and compare. >> i know my kids are learning when i look in their eyes. >> the protestors had celebrity support. matt damon. he was asked about the rule that is make it hard to fire a union teacher. >> in acting there isn't job security. why do you think it isn't like that for teachers. >> you think job security isn't what keeps me acting. >> you take this nba style thinking. >> business school idea. >> well, yes. charter schools vouchers even obama's race to the top are based on the ide...

Kids. >> you but ho but you how do yw if they are learning anything if you don't test them and compare. >> i know my kids are learning when i look in their eyes. >> the protests had celebrity support. actor matt damon. he was asked from reason tv about the rules that make it hard to fire a teacher. >> in acting there isn't job security. why do you think there is that in teachers. >> do you think job insecurity makes me work hard. i want. >> you take it mba style thinking, right? >> mba style. business school idea. >> well, yes. charter schools, vouchers, even obama's race to the top are based ...

We choose focus on. >> how do you know if they are learning anything. >> i know my kids are learning they they look in my eyes. >> give me a break. >> shannon: john secretary of us live from.ry of we're spending a whole lot of money in high school and grade school as well. >> it has gone up on the collegiate level four times the rate of inflation. healthcare costs have only doubled the rate of inflation. when government throws money at people in this case colleges costs go way up. k-12 is totally a government monopoly and people say the kids learning is flat because we don't care enough about ...

>> i think i know why the union doesn't like testing. >> your results are awful. they are among the lowest in the nation. >> you make an argument that it is the lowest in the nation based upon the test scores. now, i would say that ours can get better but i he would say that ours are -- >> your predecessors, the unions have been saying that for years. >> i think the unions have a pretty strong history of advocating for high quality public education. >> but not achieving it. >> our test scores are not what we choose to focus on. we choose to focus on teaching kids. >> you but ho but you how do ...

Long as they know the students are learning what they need to know. >> in harlem 100% of her kids pass. if such charters work why isn't there more of them. >> john: because unions and supporters of traditional schools hate them. this protest was outside of eva's charter. >> i hope it's not personal but it may be. >> he calls it his schools. >> over my dead body. >> does he get to stop them. i'll confront the unions about that and other strange things and other things union bosses say we shouldn't judge teachers how students do on tests. >> how do you know if they are learning anything to say? ...