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About hard work and never giving up. that's who hillary is. whether she has a different view about whether this trade agreement is going to hurt the economy or help the economy that's a legitimate substantive issue that needs debate. it needs debate amongst all democrats frankly. >> how does she convince people she is not the three words they currently associate with her as we have talked about, both overall voters, democrats and republicans, liar, dishonest and untrustworthy? >> she has to be herself and talk about what she cares about. what i love about her campaign right now she's talking a...

Penny of pay while they're out. if that story had gotten 5% of the coverage that marissa mayers' story has gotten, we would have had the national call to action for a paid leave program that we so desperately need. >> so stick with me on this. i think this is -- you make kind of two points. one, rebecca, is about the current state of our family leave, which as a federal matter, only provides for unpaid leave, doesn't require any paid leave at all. >> right. >> but also that we sat next to it, mayers' decisions. i have this icky feeling well, okay, she's making her life choices which are her li...