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Of poverty or to better our education system, if anyone could do that, it was barack obama and our system is so broken, not his presidency, our system of government was so broken that i think a lot of americans have given up on our system of government and they didn't want to elect anyone who had anything to do with politics in the past, so i -- i have a nuanced view on it and i can see both sides of the argument >> joan, i want to come to you because on the right there was a sense when barack obama was elected, that white america felt like the country was slipping away and their sort of loss ...

Leftward drift and pull it to the right? >> that's been a conversation that putin is so clever he's able to think of many steps ahead. i know that he's very clever. i'm not sure he's that strategically clever. however, as a former kgb man, he knows his audience. he reads his audience really well. he reads european audiences. in fact, i was just in europe and various countries. it wasn't just the right wing. they don't like what putin is doing, but even more so, they didn't like the way the united states was treating the conflict. i kept being asked, what happened to american diplomacy? what ha...

Year's group is go proud. some are boycotting the conference as a result. tony perkins is president of the family research council refusing to participate. tony, let's talk about this because we are reaching a point where there has been so much movement, the military, don't ask, don't tell, gay republicans from the cheney family on to other families, some members of the mccain family. why boycott the conservative political action committee you have had such a role in participating in the past. >> we are not boycotting. we have not participated in the last three years because of a leftward drif...