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He was pushing for engagement with assad. he thought that assad could be turned, that he was basically a guy who was willing to break from iran and go with the united states. so now kerry has his own legacy problem. he doesn't want to go down as the guy who let assad skate by. he's got to double down. >> let's talk about the numbers in this country. we've gone over progressives who watch this show, a lot of them. look at these numbers now. 46-46, which is the argument we had last night with ignatius and somebody else right now. he is a state reporter, ignatius, but he is a moderate. the proble...

It happening. >> it doesn't solve the problem. if you accept the incite idea, worst attack in u.s. history happened in 2011 there were no drone attacks. we a clinton administration that went to work three times on behalf of muslims. but for the sake of argument, if they are incited by gitmo it isn't over the idea that it's too hot in cuba because they were wo than incitement 23 you kept them in united states. these people can never be released and we can't have them on trial because all the evidence is gone. obama spoke about this, this is legacy problem. he essentially said we'll work it out....

Detainees who we know have participated in dangerous plots or attacks but who cannot be prosecuted, for example, because the evidence against them has been compromised or is inadmissible in a court of law. but once we commit to a process of closing gitmo, i am confident that this legacy problem can be resolved, consistent with our commitment to the rule of law. and i know the politics are hard, but history will cast a harsh judgment on this aspect of our fight against terrorism and those of us who fail to end us. >> this is our family fight, again. what do you do with people you know who are o...

You being able to speak but also you listening. and me being able to speak. all right? thank you. now, even after we take these steps one issue will remain, just how to deal with those gitmo detainees who we know have participated in dangerous plots or attacks but who cannot be prosecuted, for example, because the evidence against them has been compromised or is inadmissible in a court of law. but once we commit to a process of closing gitmo, i am confident that this legacy problem can be resolved consistent with the rule of law. i know the politics are hard. but history will cast a harsh judg...

Elastic. but, you know, they're coming up with guidelines that are good on paper and if they give congress the oversight and congress actually acts on the oversight, another problematic part of the equation, this could be a better regime than what we have now. >> this gets to the very question. let's look at this, what he said about closing gitmo. what to you do with bad guys? i use that term in terms of east/west fighting. bad guys out to get the united states who we don't have a case against in terms of a court. we know what they're going to do the minute they get out. come back and try to h...