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And a deterrence frame is not threatening a preemptive strike. a deterrence frame is when weapons are deployed and used by north korea, if weapons are deployed and used by north korea, then a nuclear response is on the table but you don't lay it out there. >> you're going to wait for them to -- >> he was not talking about conventional strike. >> you're telling me that -- you're telling me the only time that the president can use the words fire and fury is literally if nuclear weapons are in the air? are you kidding me right now? that is the worse foreign policy i've ever heard in my entire lif...

>> do you think that's a great idea. >> i'm going to finish. >> let ben -- rick, rick, rick. hang on. let ben have a moment. >> listen carefully, because you're having a hard time understanding this. there are other options militarily besides only nuclear options. fire and fury does not necessarily mean only push the red button for a nuclear war. it is incredibly incompetent and ignorant to imply that the only option -- >> accept the fact that south korea will -- there are millions of casualties. >> that is not what the president said yesterday. you're implying. >> by which you accept -- >> th...

Same page. i don't know if you guys were listening to admiral kirby a second ago on how, essentially, it's been a catch-up situation as this was off the cuff, ben, so can you speak to the issue of not all being on the same page. >> i think the president was being blunt and off the cuff. it was very clear from how he said that that it was off the cuff but i think the tone was -- >> should you be off the cuff on north korea. >> i think the words that people obsessed with him saying are fire and fury are words that, you know what, do you want him to use a different word. his point was to speak di...

Or tacit support from the trump administration would allow these parties to gain a more mainstream foothold in countries across europe and i think that has to make a lot of people on both sides of the atlantic very nervous. >> it's also an issue of how do we want to conduct our foreign policy. >> wait. let me jump in here. let me jump in here. >> wait. let ben have a word in. then i want to get to national security. go ahead, ben. >> there's not a lot of nervousness here. this is a complete misunderstanding of what nigel was about and what donald trump was about, and people still seem to not u...

The "wall street journal" is reporting that donald trump jr. took part in talks in how to work with russia to end the crisis in syria. the younger trump reportedly in private meetings last month in paris with pro-russian politicians and business people who want to work with syria's president. bashar al assad has called trump's father, the president-elect, a quote, natural ally and trump seems to want to rewrite american policy to help him so will they have each other's backs? let's talk about that. joining me is cnn military analyst, retired lieutenant colonel rick francona. welcome, sir. happ...