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However, let's talk about how that could be structured. first off, you limited y'all griffey, you don't go close to russia's borders. you are talking about kyiv and the west. second, you limited to humanitarian purposes with protecting humanitarian supplies, with protecting civilian populations, and not targeting ground forces. we're not targeting question forces. we declared a very benign intent. so that means also, we're not gonna check russian aircraft or helicopters. unless we are fired upon or unless they ignore this no-fly zone, and enter it, and then we will try to escort them, and fire...

Signs there's gonna be a potential meeting between the two men that actually make the decisions. all other talks have been at a working level, and one time at a foreign ministerial level. but these are still very early days, ayman. we have to see what happens. the russians have made a lot of promises in the past, and they haven't backed it up with action. and if the two sides do actually meet, it's gonna be a very, very tough negotiation, and no guarantees that they will come out of it with a positive result. the situation here on the ground in ukraine remains dire. this place is getting bombe...

It is significant in that if, and i will not -- i don't have confirmation either, but if ukraine did do this, it is significant that they have made the strike. i think the real story is that people are wound up about it. russia is firing from the black sea into ukraine, they are firing from russia into ukraine, and they are firing from belarus into ukraine. so i think that i do not understand the flurry about the fact that ukraine may have fired into russia. >> well it is not so much about the theory that ukraine did it as much as they have the capability to do it. perhaps from a military pers...

Clearly, they have the capability. they were months ahead of everyone else about the plans for russia to invade ukraine. how do you assess how the biden administration, overall, has communicated around this war? and more importantly, its policy, overall, what do you make of this administration's handling of this crisis so far, from start to where we are today? >> well, there are different aspects that. and the aspect that we're talking about right now, which is the information space. taking intelligence information, downgrading it, making it public, communicating about russia's intentions, i t...

Anything, and to avoid touching surfaces, in case the russians poisoned them. so moving along way from there, but still not certain if the meeting is gonna happen. they haven't signed anything. this is a verbal agreement. let's see what comes of it, when and if it does happen. >> yeah, building on the trust of surviving this, it really says something when you're looking at the gap between these two sides. nbc's ali arouzi in lviv for us. ali, it's good to see you, my friend. please stay safe. >> let's turn now to the u.s. response and all this. earlier, i spoke with one man who actually knows ...