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I agree on the 2%, but we can't afford them for the other 98% either given the fact that half of the population, the poor and lower income don't pay income tax any way. so the progressive ought to be no more tax cuts. we can't afford them for anybody. we're going after that pentagon and we're going to cut back dramatically this huge defense establishment we don't need. neither party is doing that, so we have this silly debate going on of one fairy tale versus another. and the country is in the trouble for it. >> president obama said let's go big. he was ready to go big on the deficit reduction...

Frozen is because we all had some stake in some program. but that's what leadership is. you heard evan say, the greater good is worth your giving up "x" because we need to get to "y." >> demosclerosis. >> i love that. >> you know how jimmy carter beat ted kennedy. he went out to iowa and came up for a grain embargo. he asked the farmers of the midwest to sacrifice and blew kennedy away. he did the opposite of the pander. the one time he had the upper hand, because he didn't follow the usually sacrifice bunt, the usual crap that politics do. he said, let's go big, and it worked. >> i'm not hold...

Commission did. how do you get there? all of them are politically difficult. you have to reform medicare. you have to refor medicaid. you have to reform social security to put them on sustainable path because right now they all employee up in deficits overtime. and, that is what will be tough politically and that is why you need a bipartisan group to come together to go big and that is exciting about the 150 lawmakers saying "go big organization republicans and democrats saying let's go big, do it together and do what is right for the country. >>neil: what i have liked about you have been will...

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