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Of governing by base. the democratic party, they don't want to seem like they're rolling again. they want to keep their base energized that worked so well in virginia and alabama. this is our politics today. donald trump is governing by base. it's how do you get your supporters as riled up as possible. >> rebecca, i want to bring you in now. you have lots of sources in washington. are you hearing anything from them? >> absolutely, don. already we're seeing unfolding the beginnings of the political blame game with this potential shutdown, and it's been really interesting to see the democrats, w...

Both, and yet washington continues to play games here. >> that goes back to the point molly made a few minutes ago, about the idea it's backward and confounding to americans when congress is on the brink of shutdown over issues that they more or less agree on, and where the public is going in one clear direction. i think that the point david made a second ago is key. president trump wants to -- david was right, that republicans need the president to go first, they're unlikely to get that in any definitive way, what president trump wants mostly out of this is to look good. but because he doesn'...

Idea that when one side over the last however many years has been playing by the marquis of queensbury rules, the other side has been playing by ultimate fighting rules, that's the democrats and republicans, you're not going to be able to sit down at a table and hash out the fine deal points until both sides have a little bit of fear of the other side. even though democrats are risking some things for november by going this way, what they probably have decided here to do is say look, let's let manchin, donley, vote for cloture, and everyone else is saying, let's hold out. >> i want to bring in...

Talking about pitting 9 million u.s. citizen children versus 700,000 noncitizen daca people. not to den great their status, and denigrate who they are and what they need. when a vote could be had tonight to fix the chip program, i don't see how democrats think they're going to win that argument. you ask what mcconnell's going to say? this man is a study in message discipline. he's going to continue to say all you have to do is vote yes. chip gets fixed, that's a simple message, and i think it's going to sell. if there is a fix and they know that they can do it, why -- why can't they get it don...