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I iraq was in 2003. >> and people were urging us to go into iraq for our own beliefs and now urging us to go into military service. there is no solution until we go all out and means we have to have turkey on our side. >> even if we go all out, we went all out in iraq and ten years later. you look at afghanistan. this is -- i'm not arguing with you but, jane, let's look at every war we have been involved with since world war ii. as dr. brzezinski said not one huge army against another huge army. korea, a tragedy. vietnam, a tragedy. the first gulf war a tragedies and so was the second gulf war...

They're at this point already. they've never met a foreign policy crisis where a military intervention and more of it wasn't the right answer. and the thing that gets me about this particular line of argument is, if you talk to anyone who knows anything about any of this, all the military options are really difficult. they may not even be effective. i ran into a congress -- a democrat -- >> they don't care as long as they're in it. >> they don't care as long as we're in it. ask lindsey graham, what is your plan? what do you want to do? it's always do something, do something. but why should we ...

Blip basically u >> jared, let's look at another number here the unemployment rate essentially unchanged. it dropped from 7.7% to 7.6%. but economists did not find that encouraging either. why not? >> no, it wasn't encouraging because there are two ways the unemployment rate could come down. one is because more people get jobs and the other because more people stopped looking, this was the latter. the labor force shrunk a bunch in march and so you could lower the unemployment rate that way but that's not optimal. in fact, the share of the population participating in the labor force is very low...

Wednesday, katherine. what we know about the budget, cutting entitlements, the first for a democratic president. what do we know about the president's budget proposal? >> talked about things he mentioned in his state of the union speech as being priorities like extending the availability of preschool universally, something in there. >> yeah. >> he talked about in the state of the union, as we can expect this week, further tax increases, potentially to offset only some of the costs of the expansions he wants, those would be both tax increases on the wealthy, also requirements he will be looking...

Back in the early '90s. hawaii's supreme court was considering it might recognize same-sex marriage. he said congress did not want to have a situation where if one state allowed same-sex marriage, then all the other states would have to. well, that's a separate part of doma. it's not under attack. what justice kennedy said is the result of the way doma stands now is, you're punishing the states who do decide they want to allow same-sex marriage because couples in their states don't have all the federal benefits. >> yeah. but my point is if they -- if they -- if they get rid of this part of dom...