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>> that's not good. but in terms of why he's saying what he's saying about ambassador sondland, michael cohen he's my lawyer talk to him. michael cohen, he was never by lawyer. rudy giuliani, great man. he's my lawyer. is he still my lawyer? i don't know. you're going to have to talk to rudy. kaitlan collins, thank you very much. this president knows when you are in trouble, get away from the people who are part of the trouble. joining us now to discuss, staff writer for the new yorker and cnn global affairs analyst susan glasser. and professor of impeachment law at tulane law school and cnn l...

Exchange between congressman ma lonnie and sondland later on in the testimony, very tough, where sondland essentially at that point, again who seemed pleased with himself and happy to be there, the role that he has portrayed himself to be in of the truth teller. he was there. maloney really pushed back on him and we'll get that byte in a moment. maloney pushed back and said look, it took you three tries to get this -- to the dreg that you have it. let's play -- let's play that exchange. >> hold on, zbloir excuse me i've been very forthright and i resent what you're trying to do. >> fair enough...

There was -- you know, they didn't even make one effort to work through proper channels with her on this, which is why she's so confused. >> exactly. and, you know, they had this sidebar channel and let's be clear, it didn't work. that's part of why you had to do these other things and get the three amigos involved later in the story. i think it's really, really important for people to understand the phone call was mid-stream in the drug deal, as mr. ambassador bolton calls it, right? it's just one play along the way. but to the point that you're making earlier, chuck, you know, all of those t...

>> exactly. exactly. >> especially, the minute it is set, that's when you should bet against it. right? so everybody assumes we know what the answer is. carol lee, mitch mcconnell, the only person more transactional than donald trump is mitch mcconnell. whatever protects his majority. >> he's going to do whatever is in his party's interest. >> senators are not looking so great in polls in the last couple weeks. i mean, their numbers have been trending downwards and i think that's one of the reasons mitch mcconnell is trying to have a real open process because he realizes if he jams this throug...

Like, she didn't need a lawyer to tell her that. she knew immediately. >> so what it did was kind of try to like take out any of the political bend that perhaps republicans were trying to put in or -- or, you know, put in her mouth, her words, or whatever. and it wound up being quite effective. i think the white house, they're probably wondering whether or not they should schedule more world leader visits so the president will stay out of impeachment as he did on wednesday while he had other business. but -- >> i don't know what he did with erdogan is something that -- i don't -- i mean, i gue...