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Doughnut because we're here for an hour together. let's talk first, matt, i'll go with you. let's talk about what we heard from john kelly here and i'll start with the biggest headline, it's not actually a wall. >> yeah, this would be a great way for trump to pivot and make this thing stop. right? he's given donald trump an out. >> right. >> trump has hinted at this talking about slats and drawing diagrams of a fence that's -- that no one has ever seen the plans for apparently earlier. the thing that i'm really struck by in the kelly interview is more to do with afghanistan which is to say tha...

Violations of law. now it is up to the department of justice to hold powcohen accountability. >> thanks to you both. to examine today's guilty verdict, i am joined by senior fellow at witkins. and elizabeth de la vega. >> let's talk first, i have not gotten to it today, but before we get to it, the significance of the mueller investigation. >> well, which federal court? the answer in both cases is that we don't know. because we don't know, a, how much paul manafort or michael cohen really knows about the

To examine today's guilty verdict, i am joined by senior fellow at witkins. and elizabeth de la vega. >> let's talk first, i have not gotten to it today, but before we get to it, the significance of the mueller investigation. >> well, which federal court? the answer in both cases is that we don't know. because we don't know, a, how much paul manafort or michael cohen really knows about the matters that are core to the mueller investigation. we kind of suspect that they may know something important. and we don't know, we kind of know in cohen's case that he is

To see what they might do next any day now. we see all of the preparations and if it is more bluster or if they will really test. as we continue to wait for the president to leave the hill, i want to bring in david cohen who was in charge of sanctions against iran and russia in the ukraine crisis. let's talk first, we have a situation on capitol hill evolving as we speak where mike flynn, the national security advisor who had a top current clearance, and applied for and received security clearances, apparently according to the paperwork they have seen so far from the pentagon and the state dep...

I had to work so i wasn't able to be there. >> i'm so sorry. we had a great time. >> i heard it was really great. let's talk first -- i'm going to get back to the russia stuff but i first want to talk about tax day protest. what do you think can come out of this. donald trump made it pretty clear he's never going to release his tax returns. do you think public pressure can change that? >> absolutely. i do believe in the power of the people. i think it's very important for us to resist and to demand. he must show his taxes. every president since fixon has shown their taxes. i think the people h...