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Couple of hundred thousand dollars. because we don't know just how cash-poor he is. we don't know if he's even a billionaire. >> and that's why it will be so interesting to see where this $4.4 million that flowed through essential consultants actually ended up. did it all really just go in michael cohen's pocket? or is there some deal with the president? we'll look into that. if you look at the numbers, the "washington post" reports that the $600,000 at&t paid cohen represented 3.5% of their entire lobbying budget for the year. that's a lot of money to give to a guy who has no relationship to ...

He is fire he's verified, he is sanctified, he is -- also on fire. >> trying not to be crucified. >> well, stay away from that, it's already been done, no second acts there, rev. so john heilemann, let's talk for a second, "the circus" on fire but another show on fire -- well not this season but we've been talking about "peaky blinders" man and i've got to say, cilian murphy -- well, the whole cast is extraordinary but when murphy and tom hardy are working across the table the acting is extraordinary. i even have mika watching it. >> i am so pleased you found your way to this show. i was late ...

For instance, it allows congress to demand that they get to see his work. and i think that would surprise a lot of people to know right now mueller is not operating under that rule. similar to what ken starr operated under, which was that congress, no matter what, gets to see the fruition, the product of his work. so this new potential legislation would simply bring that statute, bring those rules to be the same as what ken starr operated under. secondly, it would allow mueller to essentially release his work if he were fired. and to release his work if he felt like he was starting to be stifl...

That there were necessarily any other payments, but that does seem like more for mueller to dig into. >> well, one of the issues that the trump legal team has had and cohen's legal team is understanding what was actually in the documents that were taken from cohen's office. and i think that at least in the week or so after the raid in new york, the lawyers didn't feel like they were getting a fair idea from the clients about what actually is in these things. they were acknowledging that they were more concerned about the new york investigation than they were mueller's investigation because the...

Seem like more for mueller to dig into. >> well, one of the issues that the trump legal team has had and cohen's legal team is understanding what was actually in the documents that were taken from cohen's office. and i think that at least in the week or so after the raid in new york, the lawyers didn't feel like they were getting a fair idea from the clients about what actually is in these things. they were acknowledging that they were more concerned about the new york investigation than they were mueller's investigation because they had no idea what was actually in there. and simply the idea ...