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Decorated, they don't deserve to be prosecuted, and, the fact of the matter is, there was a complete investigation done and is it was done by a career attorney in the justice department, concluded nobody violated the law, and, the whole matter was closed, and the obama people came in, holder reopened it and the investigation i understand is still underway today. these are our government employees, they did nothing wrong, as best any of us knows, and, it was a fact where they followed the policies set by the president of the united states, lawful decisions and lawful policy and now we're in a s...

Also important for us to remember we have a broad range of issues that we work with pakistan together. and i can remember going to pakistan, in the 1980s, when i was on the intel committee, and we were running a covert action program, to support the afghan mujahideen against the soviets and were duoing it in conjunctin with the pakistani government and we were knitted together in that program and it was successful and work. and we have a lot of interest in that part of the world and an interest, obviously, in india and pakistan together and the potential that may be represented in terms of the...

These men all devoted, capable officials should have to look over their shoulders and worry, that if they follow the orders of this president to carry out this interrogation program, at some point down the road when there is a change in policy, they can expect to be prosecuted. >> chris: i want to change subjects with you. is it conceivable to you that no one in the pakistani government knew that bin laden's was in that compound, very sensitive area, 30 miles from the capital and what should we do about pakistan going forward. >> well, i don't know what they knew, obviously. there are a lot of...

Anti-obama caucus on most things certainly up to now, where he took this on the floor and delivered a strong support of the president. is that one of the dividing lines now, libya policy between establishment, republicans like mccain and the tea partiers? >> i think mccain is coming back to being mccain now that jd hey worth is in the rearview mirror. people are standing up now, "the wall street journal" editorial journalists said let's be responsible, saying you're doing exactly what you complained about the democrats doing to president bush. so you see some principled conservatives trying to...

Is usurp the constitutional power of states with a one size fits all takeover. i would repeal obamacare. >> joining me now, one of the people that helped romney create romneycare, jonathan gruber. he was also consultant for obama administration and congress when they developed the affordable care act known now by republicans as obamacare. thank you for joining me, professor. >> good to be here, lawrence. >> how would you gauge governor romney's enthusiasm for healthcare reform, including an individual mandate as the massachusetts law has it, when you were working with him? >> it was a difficul...