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>> he said to compare the war against climate change with real war. one that actually harms people. and i'll give into this. let's say that all of this industry use has raised temperatures 1 degree over the last 100 years. would you give up all of that industrialization. would you give up all the productive? all the lives it's saved? so that the temperature would rise a half a percent. putman's life first. nature will take care of itself. >> we've seen three ice ages where the ice came down almost to the equator. we know that they were one time tropical. so the earth is going through all kinds...