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Jerusalem, gorsuch and he's been successful and a evangelical adviser said what is on tap for the 2018 and they looked at me and said what is left. the guy has been a buzz saw when it comes to evangelical issues in 2017. >> why did he get a pass in the first place? just because evangelicals wanted their agenda done and they would take any sort of person to do it for them? it didn't matter whether or not that person embodied their values. >> it is a great question. look, katy, here is the answer. whether or not you or others want to accept it. here is the answer. they went with the macro versio...

>> no, it is not. typically, you know, when we're discussing elections between especially in a special election, right, it is a study of contrasts. i'm for this and he is for that and everyone is looking to see what is persuadable on a national level. outside of the life issue, these two are locked in on almost everything having the same position. it is like a republican primary. connor laor lamb is young and cg and rick saccone is not young. >> that is a good way to put it. >> he and i are the same age, so i can say that. so it is more of a contrast of personalities. and trump has not been me...

Moore is able to pull it out, it will be because on these issues, taxes, obamacare, judicial nominations, the life issue, that doug jones was not a centrist. he was not a zell miller or that kind of democrat. he was a hard-core liberal democrat and even with all these accusations and everything swirling around moore, voters of faith and other conservatives and pro-lifers were torn over the overall dynamics, but on the issues moore was with them. >> laura: byron? >> i think ralph is actually right because doug jones is not just going to become an old-fashioned centrist democrat like in the 1970...

Is receiving a hi-tech lynching, that was clarence thomas' phrase back in the day for those who might not remember. what do you think of him invoking the image of lynching and applying it to roy moore? >> first of all, charles barkley, i love him as a basketball player. but roy moore would actually want to take your interview with charles barkley and send it out to the voters of alabama. he doesn't want to talk about the allegations against him. he's going to win if he wins because of the things charles was talking about like the life issue. so what i look at when i see alabama is the democrat...

>> i was anti-gay myself. i said bad things to my daughter myself which i regret. but i can't take back what happened to my daughter. but stuff like saying my daughter's a pervert, i'm sure that bothered here. judge moore, he didn't call my daughter by name. he said all gay people are perverts, abominations. that's not true. we don't need a person like that representing us in washington. >> brave man. what's your response? >> i lived in dothan for a few years, i met a lot of peanut farmers just like him. i can feel his pain and frustration. the reality is a lot of people in alabama their core ...