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Drives up costs, want to give back to our governors in states and local gover can innovate with those most in need, those on medicaid. make sure they are properly cared for. >> bret: this includes pre-existing conditions, and it includes keeping your child on until 26. >> yes, indeed. no lifetime caps. we think those are important provisions. those were frankly in many cases republican provisions long before there was obamacare. i worked on these issues in the '90s when i was on the state legislature. health issues don't look at your voter registration card. they hit your family. we want to ma...

Medicaid programs if you will, those are not expansion populations. they're never at risk. never at risk. >> i meant that in terms of lifetime caps and preexisting conditions which are covered under the non-medicaid part but even for part of the medicaid, people in the expanded pool, there are people watching this right now saying is my health insurance going to be taken away? you're saying we're going to thread the needle and the vice president says no one will fall through the cracks. does that mean if you have insurance right now through the medicaid expansion you, michael burgess, and your...

Come to the table. listen to him. maybe you get something on healthcare you'll get something. you'll get pre-existing conditions. you'll get kids to stay on their parents' healthcare. you'll have lifetime caps. but healthcare is broken, we know that. why not try and meet the president halfway and fix it? because the republicans and the democrats have to understand healthcare is gone as we know it. obamacare is gone. why not try to rebuild something that works? >> that would be great. i think it would be great if there are pieces. the try and parse out pieces of the law that are working as only...

Fix and have to fix. >> neil: the old line, you try to fix it and you won't. they're worried about that. they worry about whatever they come up with is with them now. >> right. listen, you made a good point when you talk about repeal and replace have to be simultaneous. the gap should be about as big as the wallpaper and the wall. people rightly are very concerned about their health insurance, particularly people that have been helped by obamacare. that is certainly a distinct minority but there's people that are worried about that. what do we do? what we have to say is, if you have pre-existi...

Maybe overhaul is too big a word for most democrats? but does it need to be big are than a tweak? >> i think it needs to be repaired. one of the things we have to do is get some of those young invincibles to join the plan to broaden the risk pool and lower the costs. i don't think we have the necessarily the best ideas on repairing but repealing this would be an economic catastrophe, not to mention the fact that it would rob 20 million people of their health coverage and rob the people on employer-sponsored plan on those important consumer protections, such as an end to discrimination for peop...