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Separate of this building we're next to so there was no conversation between the two sides. certainly they were here and all represented. the man you just heard from, he was part of a group. this group that started, as you said, brooke, it was after the inauguration. now they have about 2,000 members. and i talked to one of the chair people of that group. and she said, you know what, in the south we don't talk two things. we don't talk religion and we don't talk politics. but there is this conversation happening. people are talk building politics. people are talking about the issues that they ...

Have also adopted a new name they say. citizens for constitutional freedom, as they read this list of grievances from supposedly a coalition of groups that have been fighting over these issues. >> scott, just to back up so everyone understands how we got to this point, the hammonds were convicted of lighting a fire that went on to federal lands but they were convicted in doing this because there was believed to be a cover-up, that they were inlegally poaching or deer hunting on the lands and the fire to cover the tracks of that. correct? >> reporter: that was the allegation and that's what the...