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Lightning rods, but the fact is from the beginning of this administration's initiatives have been rolled out in incredibly incompetent way. you've had chaos, leaks coming out of the administration, so yes, i do think he's been criticized more than other presidents, i also think he deserves their criticism. >> martha: the transparenc issu there's an irony in it. more leaks out of this white house and more to a s this lighthouse. >> i think it's unfortunate. >> martha: we know heck of a lot about what's going on. >> to ask you to please stop doing that and it's unsportsmanlike, but as it relates...

S that what he and the people around him generate. they are lightning rods and a lot of it is over the top. >> over the top. all right. there you go. stay withmsnbc fo all-day coverage. you know why. because tonight president trump's first address to congress is taking place. then at midnight eastern, a special edition of "hardball" with chris matthews. more "doing chores for dad" per roll more "earning something you love" per roll bounty is more absorbent, so the roll can last 50% longer than the leading ordinary brand. so you get more "life" per roll. bounty, the quicker picker upper wheyou ...

>> so franklin takes his money and uses it to get involved in all sorts of other enterprises. >> franklin's facility with science, particularly his investigations into electricity, ends up being a calling card that he uses as an entree to the high society. >> if you will indulge me, an exhibition of natural process. >> ben franklin inferred with tremendous accuracy that metal conducts electricity, but the early experiments could have killed people. >> he'll be all right. >> his experiments in electricity won him his generation's equivalent of the nobel prize. that changed things dramatically. ...

>> i agree with susan on this. those guys, both of them are very controversial people, lightning rods. christie is below 30% approval rating and facing a potential investigation now that his staff has claimed that he wasn't telling the truth about whether he knew anything about bridge date or not. i know rudy well. he is a lot of fun. i worked with him on a couple of issues. he says very controversial things. i think there's probably some people in the trump staffers saying, is this -- you will say a lot of controversial things yourself. do you want your staff doing it as well? i don't know an...

They are being pressured by donald trump or nigel. both of them are lightning rods in their own countries and they are probably going to fight back i think maybe even harder against this because of the fact this has become such a public conversation. will they be able to use the media to their advantage? i don't know. it will be an interesting conversation to see where this one guess. >> yes, it will. i did get the distinct impression that nigel farage wants to be the uk ambassador to washington. >> yeah. >> do you -- >> carol? >> go ahead, ron. >> look, the people have to understand who nigel...