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>> i don't think i'd say that. >> i'm just asking. >> look at the record. those that opposed traditionally, i won't say rhinos because people called lindsey graham a rhino and he's the only one worthy of the name fighting on russia. sen tryst republican senators. i think you have to look at the fact they believed it. it's not a surrender for devos by people like mccain. sorry msnbc viewers, i am a conservative i would have voted for devos. i like her and i don't think experience is relative in a cabinet post. >> the democrats are saying stand-up for your beliefs. when they don't want to appear...

Talk about this issue and really wants to, i think, think about the fact that he was elected and that, you know, he wants to feel as though he was fairly elected. and of course, there's no evidence that the voting machines were hacked, but the idea is he's very frustrated with the idea that people will be thinking about his legitimacy as a president and wondering whether or not he's legitimate when it comes to what's going on with russia. i think he's really frustrated by that. but president obama today as told him, you're going to have to deal with this. >> so katon, do you agree with that as...

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