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He wants a public punching bag. >> i know we get to the fact where we say everything he says is mularkey, but he's got his facts wrong. brennan was gone from government before a special counsel was named. >> that doesn't matter to them. >> facts doesn't matter. >> we shouldn't be -- i hear your point that we're blinded by the stupidity. we're blinded by the stupidity of rudy giuliani. >> they want to find a way to have a face with someone who will go on tv the next night andy gauge back on mueller. >> and let's remember, jewel aunau -- jew giuliani, the reason he's gone on this tv blitz saying...

Saying was an effort to lay this at his feet. he has things locked in his safe, he wasn't turning things over. ken, jump in if i get this wrong. something to the effect the president didn't do anything wrong, we're going to turn everything over. if don mcgahn felt like he was being set up he had his back against the wall. >> there was friction between ty cobb and don mcgahn. their relationship started off on a rocky footing. they disagreed on basic questions as to how the legal matters related to the mueller probe should be handled. one thing i can tell you about this mcgahn issue, i had a con...

Candid conversation for 30 hours. >> i ask you this question. "the new york times" reported that last summer the president of the united states asked don mcgahn to go fire bob mueller. that's been reported, right? the likelyest question in the world, the conversation he's had with bob mueller, is that the only time the president asked you to fire bob mueller? there is no one who has a sense of donald trump who hasn't watched the arc of this, he has grown more agitate ed about robert mueller. if he tried to fire him last year, he said you didn't fire him the time i told you to. fire him now. it...

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It put don mcgahn in an impossible situation. once you waive that privilege, turnover all the documents, don mcgahn has no choice then but to go in and answer everything, every question they can ask him. and this is not in the president's interest. it wasn't in the president's interest. if he had gotten good legal advice at the time, he would have done something a little less, i'm confident it's bad legal advice, bad lawyering, and this is the result of it. >> so, chris christie obviously on the save don mcgahn team. is it going to work? >> well, look, he makes a point there in terms of obviou...